Rich, Thanks for the heads up. I know they are but my wife doesnt like me to go there in the winter. I will be at a memorial on Dec 6 in Bishop and plan to hit Pleasant Valley wild trout area and the lower Owens for a few hours. The last time I hit hot creek in the winter it took 2 tow trucks and 4 hours to get my pickup out of the snow muck. As for the East Walker, Bridgeport is just too cold for me in winter. 68, COPD and chronic bronchitis. Jim