thank you all as always, your comments help greatly with my learning...
(Allen) funny you say that, i have it in a seperate case for further rederence lol, ive seen incredible improvment since i started....
(Scott) here is a link to my facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.363298137021885.93359.100000251055289&type= 3
i dont know if its set to private... you may not see anything, (my wife does that for me lol) you can definatly tell whitch were the first!
(Silver) that how i usually find good patturns! lol google rules.....
thanks again guys... ill use your comments, make another, and post it either late tonight or tomorrow.
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