I have been using the Haber Copper/Rose lenses for four years now I think. I wear the "Nice" frames. My Action Optics, Hobie, and Oakley glasses have become backups to my backups because I purchased additional pairs of Habervision glasses to have as backups. I also like the copper/rose for driving. I do find them to be not dark enough in alpine situations under bright skies when there is a lot of exposed rock to reflect sunlight and still prefer grey on the open ocean but I use the copper/rose for everything else.