I have 12 or 13 rods. Only one was bought new. I don't hav a local shop, so I get almost all of my gear online. Either from bulletin board sale forums or Ebay. I know I don't get a warranty, but I am careful with my stuff. Just picked up a like new T&T rod for $240 to my door. It retails for $600. If I don't like it, I'll resell it for what i have into it. I have never care about lighter, faster new color rods. I like classic Winston and Orvis rods (graphite and bamboo).