I saw Vincent Su, the designer of the 720 vise, give a fly tying demonstration on 3/6/10. I thought the vise was really nice and did make tying easier. I was testing the newer version of the vise and it seemed to be of high quality and a good value for the price. If I could tie like Norman I would stick with the way I was doing it. For someone having trouble this vise could possibly help. If you get a chance to see Su tie I think you would really enjoy it. He ties mainly small flies, with absolutely no commercial for the vise. If you want to learn more about it you need to ask him after the tying demonstration. freddyg