I think I have visited the drake. Can't remember for sure. Sounds like the biker bar of fly fishing sites. I used to visit biker bars back when I rode. I haven't been in one for quite some time. Giving up drinking might have something to do with that also. The internet has got something for everyone. All you have to do is look. It probably needs a biker bar style web site on fly fishing. I can talk rough but choose not to for the most part. I do participate in a web site that is more open than here and I have even thrown out my share of off color language there. But, that site welcomes new comers. It doesn't "haze" them. No initiations to become a member like a biker club. To each there own. We all seem to have a need to belong someplace. If the drake fills that need for you, go for it.