just a note I have a friend in the UK , who is pretty big into this soft hackle stuff (he will remain nameless, so don't ask) , he even has his own hooks manufactured. he had recently stated to me that,in his opinion, " Syl's and even Ollie's flies were overhackled" . In his opinion there should be one barb for every point on the clock face. so 12 fibers per fly. I Know thats not what you want to hear. I use whatever looks right,and for me thats always 1 to1 1/2 turns of folded hackle. That being said. It seems to me that alot of American tyers wrap alot of hackle that is not needed.More is not better... Remember you just want to suggest movement.