Polar Bears are happy

[Big Bad Wulff]

"Global warming" is nothing more than a political tool to soak $$ out of people. End of subject.
Anyone that believes this nonsense is either naive or brainwashed or both.

[Steven McGarthwaite]

Magnolia Trees in Minnesota, and I have one in my side yard. Tree was grown in Minnesota in Woodbury, about 5 miles from my home, and was transplanted to my property about years ago, after 5 years at the tree farm.

This was the first year the tree had blossoms, just a few as the tree is still growing it's root structure, to support flower blossoms.

I am 60 years old, and I know that there are various climate cycles all around the world. Yet the facts are straight forward about Carbon Dioxide, and Methane gas concentrations in the atmosphere, at a all time high. When I say all time high I mean that the scientist can go back 100 of thousands of years, using petrified tree rings to record the tree growth, long before homo-sapians started to cultivate land and domesticating livestock, building settlements and civilizations.

The scientists also have the ice cores on the rapidly shrinking glacier ice packs. These ice packs have the actual air from hundreds of thousands of years ago, and the dating can be accurately determined. They know exactly when the earth went into a snow cone ice age, where even all the seas and oceans froze over. The know exactly when the giant mega volcano expelled so much sulfur dioxide into the air, that it created such a cold ice age, that early human population almost went extinct. Today they can trace through DNA and gene research to determine through the female humans, that there were only 400 females at a critical early time, when the human species almost went extinct.

The earth's weather systems are a complicated duck soup of things that can effect the weather. More complicated than mans efforts to make sense of monetary policies through out the world. So do not take these so call experts that are preaching that all this global warming, is a bunch of cow dung.

Just because you do not fully understand all that is happening, does not make it untrue. I spent 6 years in Alaska, when in the Army, and spent most of my time in the field. Winters are harsh, but the tundra is fragile. If all that tundra starts to defrost, deeper and deeper, each year, all that buried organic material buried and frozen will start to release Methane Gas into the atmosphere at a astounding rate, and Methane gas is 10 time more damaging than Carbon Dioxide. There are also frozen Methane gas ice in the deepest trenches of our oceans, if our oceans continue to warm, that warmth reach further into the depths, and that methane gas trapped in frozen ice crystals also will be released into the atmosphere.

When too much of this methane gas is release, it will shut down our ocean currents that keep our norther climates warmer during the winter. The change can be complete in less than a 10 years span. The scientists have ice core records that confirm that it has happened before, not once, but repeatedly over millions of years.

Isn't is nice to read the truth, from someone who does not have a axe to grind? ~Parnelli "I say what I mean, and I mean what I say!"

[Uncle Jesse]

A large part of the problem is the "Media" tells us the part of the story they want us to hear as they are infinitely more intelligent than us and know what is good for us, especially if we want to resist. While glaciers melt in the northern hemisphere and sea ice increases in the southern hemisphere, see the link below. The loons have gotten the attention of the "Media" and are driving an agenda taht cripples the USA while allowing developing countries to pollute at will. Loons are nice birds to see on the lake but do a damn bad job of drivng the ship of state. We all want clean air and water but we want our country to prosper. Texan, Okies and lot of other folks have survived for years with oil wells in their yards. The still only have one head, you can have energy and clean air and water.

The tailwater section of Chattahoochee River is surrounded by over 5 million people but trout have been reproducing in this section for several years now. We haven't worked at it as hard or as long as we should have but the efforts have improved the water quality over the years. It still gets too muddy when it rains but we have improved considerably from where we were and the area is still growing.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=2734 - While recent studies have shown that on the whole Arctic sea ice has decreased since the late 1970s, satellite records of sea ice around Antarctica reveal an overall increase in the southern hemisphere ice over the same period. Continued decreases or increases could have substantial impacts on polar climates, because sea ice spreads over a vast area, reflects solar radiation away from the Earth?s surface, and insulates the oceans from the atmosphere.

[hap]

A number of years ago I heard a debate on NPR I would love to have recorded. A guy with credentials was discussing his research which showed the Earth has temp cycles driven by proximity to other planets and the cycle is extremely long. He showed all reliable temp readings world-wide meshed neatly with his cycle.

He was debating greenhouse gases with another lettered individual.

It was not a fair fight. Mr Cycle had him at every turn and knew his stuff cold... (might be a pun there) Several important points included the fact the Earth is actually in a longer-term cooling cycle, but a shallow, short warming cycle. The effects of the Industrial Age in Europe did not have much effect on the temperatures. Volcanos produce far more pollutants and green house gases than Man...

Not to introduce politics to the argument, but the carbon credit idea is a brilliant fleecing device...
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[hap]

Oh, and recent research shows the polar bear population in several critical areas is actually expanding and it is not falling anywhere as rapidly as it is rising in those places...

[Sonny Edmonds]

Oh, and recent research shows the polar bear population in several critical areas is actually expanding and it is not falling anywhere as rapidly as it is rising in those places...

Happy animals (bears) reproduce better.
Animals (and insects) multiply when conditions are favorable.
Humans are the only species on the earth I know of that destroy their habitat, and the habitats of animals and fish.
Politicians and scientists have agendas to push.
All are facts.

[cycler68]

To add my bit to this discussion I found this story about how the melting of the permafrost is adding methane gas to the atmosphere. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
Here is the link http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...0,646220.story