If you would like to incorperate them into a rod you are building do yourslef a favor and after you complete several of them and the first unfinished wrap is almost on your support take it off and put finish (just a very light coat) on those wraps as it will break your heart to see them unwrap themselves as you wrap on the next one. Also be VERY patient as it takes alot of time to do them and do them correct, especially if you are trying to do them as a 3 or 4 turn.