JL - What are you attempting to achieve? If your fly lands the way you want and close to where you want it - isn't that the goal? There are other-than-basic casts that you can master - the steeple cast or one that goes around a corner. I just want to get to the point where I can cast well without thinking about every stroke.

Remember the adage - You can learn to fly cast in a 1/2 hour, but it takes a lifetime to master.