When I fish Chironomids, I still use the "Y" so to speak I put one on the end of the leader and second one up 2 to 3 feet. I will also use a 30' leader at times, and no, I can't cast it well, just kinda lob it out and kick back a ways in my toon. That is if I am using an indicator, If I do the Chan, I just drop straight down, but the bottom fly always is weighted either wraps or tungsten bead.