Interesting Design Thoughts on two caddis patterns

[Bugsy]

Eric Otzinger designed the Hot Creek Caddis while he was working at Bob Marriott's Shop. It has been featured twice in the Long Beach Casting Club's Newsletter (PDF - Scroll down)

PT/TB

Yes, I remember Eric when I made the regular trip to Marriott's.

PT:
Interesting. Martinsweek posted two beautiful examples of the Hot Creek Caddis earlier in this thread.

Those are beautiful, elegant flies. I am still a believer in a trailing shuck as a trigger for opportunistic trout.

I've heard the reason for Otzinger's HC caddis not having the z-lon shuck of its parent pattern is that would disqualify it from use on the dry-only regulated ranch water.

PT, do you know that to be the reason?

[Bugsy]

Seems like it would be a good mayfly imitation as well

The Tilt Wing Dun (Galloup) is an E/C relative that's designed for the mayfly dun. Here's a #18 I did. Unlike the E/C, I don't concern myself with tension on the hackle wraps propping the wing too vertical.

[Bugsy]

Byron,

Take a look at the Harrop's Hairwing Dun and Mercer's Missing Link - both tied by Charlie C.

Hairwing Dun:

http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/upl...g Dun (12).jpg

Missing Link:

http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/upl... jpegs (1).jpg

What do they have in common with the E/C Caddis?

What was it that Swisher & Richard's said in "Selective Trout" (ppgs. 23-26) about the first thing a Trout sees when a fly enters it's cone of vision?


PT/TB

Good point. The hair wing on the Missing Link may indeed be noticed by trout at it enters the window, but Mike Mercer stated it was really to aid visibility for the angler. The zelon represents the spent wing of the egg layer.

[Byron haugh]

Bugsy,

Beautiful tie! Thanks for posting! Could be a great PMD in a size 16/18???

Really like that!



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[martinwestbeek]

Bugsy and Planettrout,
Splendid flies, thanks for the inspiration! I'm definitely going to tie those!

[Byron haugh]

Bugsy,

Probably should not ask this, given how great that tie is, but, here gors:

Could you post one just like that with smoother side of the biot facing out on the abdomen??

Not my picture, but what I'm getting at:

[Bugsy]

Byron, yes, it is intended as PMD but could work as Sulphur, too. The biot color is off in pic.

Thanks guys.

Edit: The pattern is shown with ribbed abdomen by Galloup and that's how I've done them. No reason you couldn't go smooth, I guess.

[Byron haugh]

Not pretty, but, ever use turkey rounds for the abdomen?

[planettrout]

Yes, I remember Eric when I made the regular trip to Marriott's.


I've heard the reason for Otzinger's HC caddis not having the z-lon shuck of its parent pattern is that would disqualify it from use on the dry-only regulated ranch water.

PT, do you know that to be the reason?

I don't know about that since I haven't fished Hot Creek Ranch in a very long time. Their dry fly only (except when the flows are really blasting) rule is a bit of a turn-off for me. About 90% of my fly fishing is done sub-surface...




PT/TB

[Joe Billingsley]

If all of you tie the E/C or Harrop's Hair Wing or any of these similar patterns in very small sizes, like #18-24, do you still use hair for the wing or do you switch to CDC or maybe poly?

Joe