A Tale of Tails

[ScottP]

Seems that if I've been away from the vise for a while, I often don't get the tilt and spread that I like on my mayfly tails. Found a way to overcome my tying deficiencies, training wheels if you will, until I get the feel back.

Wrap the thread back to a point above the barb:



spin the bobbin (20-30 times?) and then make a couple wraps at that spot, right on top of each other to form a small thread bump (too big a bump and I can't get the fibers to splay properly), then wrap forward a bit; A.K. Best just leaves the thread there and then ties in the tailing fibers perfectly, every time, but I'm not A.K. Best and I need to ramp up to it



measure a bunch of tailing fibers from a spade hackle or equivalent (I love the bag 'o scapular feathers I got from Charlie Collins; great stuff), length of the hook shank



slide your fingers with the fibers back to the tie-in point, transfer to your off hand, pinch on the shank and apply a few wraps (sorry, no pics here, I don't have enough hands to manage this and the camera; imagination will suffice)



continue wrapping back to the thread bump (don't trim the butts, I'll explain in a minute), when you get to the point where you're one wrap width from the bump, make that wrap with a firm downward "snap"; if you do it right, the fibers spread out and tilt up just right



actually turned out okay this time but to get a bit more tilt and spread and lock the fibers in, grab and lift the butts and take a turn of thread in front (sorry for the focus; 10 shots and the thumb won every time)



then, take the thread to the back of the hook on the far side, bring it under the tail towards you (keep it firm but not too tight)
overhead view



continue forward




and go back under the butts




then start wrapping again back towards the tail, it'll lock them in



then you can trim the butts and continue on with the rest of the fly

Proper thread tension and management is always preferred, but my muscle memory needs a bit of help some times


Regards,
Scott

[Byron haugh]

Ever just put a tiny ball of dubbing behind?

[ScottP]

I tie most of my mayflies with biot bodies and like to keep the bump as unobtrusive as possible, ergo the thread.

[Allan]

Scott,

Do you like the look of the thread showing under the tail? I'm not sure that the upward angle is needed but maybe that's what you're going for. You can get the spread if you just omit the 'bump', tye in the barb fibers at the bend, wrap about 1/8" toward the eye, then take a turn of the thread back under the barb fibers while splaying them horizontally with your fingers. This will result in a very slight upward angle, splayed fibers, a less bulky and more even underbody(better for quill & biot bodies), and no visible thread under the bend. Just a suggestion.

Allan

[ScottP]

Allan,

Thanks for the suggestions. For me, I think the upward angle of the tail provides more support for the fly on the water (A.K. Best explains it in Production Flytying better than I can; has to do with hook penetration in the water and angle of the tail); the whole process adds about 5 seconds to the tying time. As far as the thread wrap behind the tail, I don't mind the look, the flies float fine and the fish don't seem to care.

Regards,
Scott

[JohnScott]

Scott -

Tried to send you a tale of some tails, but your inbox is full. Let me know when you've got it cleared out some so I can send some info to you.

John

[ScottP]

John,

Inbox cleaned up. I saw those pics; looked quite nice.

Scott

[Steven]

Going back under the wing combined with the use of a thread bump is interesting. I build the thread bump, a la AK, as well.

Also, per AK, I use a dab of head cement at the base of the tail.