I think the tippet knot or the knot at the fly should be the place the leader breaks. I use a uni knot at the fly and a triple surgeons knot to join the tippet.
I find the triple is much stronger than the double surgeons.
All the best.
Mike.
I think the tippet knot or the knot at the fly should be the place the leader breaks. I use a uni knot at the fly and a triple surgeons knot to join the tippet.
I find the triple is much stronger than the double surgeons.
All the best.
Mike.
FreddyG:
Regarding breaking at the tippet knot rather than at the fly...if you fish a dropper this results in two flies lost and the need to tie three knots to get back to fishing. In my opinion it is always best to break off at the second fly and never at the tippet.
To solve broken tippet knots, I suggest the following...
1) Do knot mix fluoro and mono
2) Use the Orvis Tippet Knot for Fluoro to Fluoro connections
3) Use the Ligature Knot for Mono to Mono connections. While more difficult to tie than the surgeons, it is much easier to tie than the blood and can be tied on stream with consistent results. It is also stronger than the blood and surgeons (double or triple) which will fail first if you use an Orvis, Pitzen (16-20) or Non-slip Monoloop as your terminal knot. The trick to the ligature is to tie it like a granny, not a square, and learning how to tighten it.
Regards,
KB
I don't ever have knots come apart, and don't get extravagant at all...
That's normal, no knot is 100%. You can tie any knot you want and the result will be the same. With that being said a fly snagged in a tree when being pulled free will never break in the middle of the tippet, ever, (unless the tippet has a wind knot in it) it will always break at a knot. The reason it's not the knot at the fly is because the line usually gets twisted around the branches and the knot is not exposed to breaking strength.
The only knot I would not ever use is the Chuck Norris knot..
oh please someone ask why...
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sure - why???Originally Posted by Steve Molcsan
The Orivis Tippit Knot. Not as quick to tie as a double surgeons, nor as small as blood knot but hands down the strongest I've found.
Leo C
Because the Chuck Norris knot is so strong that:
It has pulled out entire groves of willows and it even has been known to fall giant trees that a fly was tangled in and never broke off..
Leo, The Orvis don't even come close to this one...
Geeze I just kill myself sometimes
Last edited by Steve Molcsan; 08-23-2009 at 10:36 PM.
Relaxed and now a Full Time Trout Bum, Est. 2024
I use a triple surgeons knot, just an extra pass through after the double surgeons. It's the easiest knot for me to tie on the water and I don't even have to think about it. I find it a bit stronger than a double surgeons, but the knot will always be the weak point in the leader.
Last edited by ffb; 08-23-2009 at 10:53 PM.
A couple of years back, one of the mags had a study of tippet knots. The Ligature Knot and the Orvis Tippet Knot were found to be by far the strongest.
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