Dear Gringo.
How could I ever repay you, for such kind words ?
Maybe when you come fishing, I could bring along one of my girl friends for you ?
But then again, maybe, maybe, if I just send you a cheque will be enough.
This will of course, allow you far more time for the fishing
Kind regards,
UB
ps, its about time you picked up a Trout Spey, young grass hopper .
KOA, I have been looking at youtube for how to do a snakeroll, but they are all so fast, I can't get the drift of it, do you start with a roll cast, then cast it downstream, then up? What are the anchor points they talk about.Originally Posted by KOA-1
bad shoulder
Ron, berfore you buy a spey rod, although I have cast and fished one and they are excellent, read Lefty Kreh's article in fly fisherman magazine Dec. 2008. He has excellent advice on side arm casting with your arm close to your side for shoulder problems.
"Tap her light and she'll always be fresh"
Good evening Herefish.
I might be able to help clear the fog for you,
"I have been looking at youtube for how to do a snakeroll, but they are all so fast,"
Thats normal, it looks fast, because the line in in the air going around and around, if not fast, it will fall in a heap around your ears
" I can't get the drift of it, do you start with a roll cast,"
Wrong, you finish with a roll cast, single Spey.
The cast basically is.
Tight line to reel,
rod tip low, near the water is better, more so will a sunked line.
lift rod to about shoulder height, the tip that is.
now without stopping, which will cause loose line and kill the loading.
Start to write a lower case letter e in the sky, starting at the inside of the e letter.
wind the rod tip around,
as the rod's path comes around to the bottom of the e, lift the rod back into the position to form a r/cast or single Spey, the Dloop behind the caster.
That easy !
And now the trick, if you could call it that, I think of it as the foundation step.
With a Double, left hand on the lower grip, hold this close to your body, as if to lock it there.
Once you master the cast, this locking of the lower hand doesn't matter too much.
"then cast it downstream, then up? "
?
cast across the stream, drift the line and fly down stream, snake roll and reposition the line and fly again across the stream.
'What are the anchor points they talk about.'
this is only the water's grip on the line, leader and or fly, which inturn helps load the rod.
this is why Spey casting on grass is near on impossible.
Another helping trick,
practice with just a bare rod, till you feel comfortable and can controll the size of the e that the rod tip is forming.
Kind regards,
UB
ps, another trick, don't try with a 15foot rod inside the house, more so with a ceiling fan
Thanks for the images, UB, so that is where the "roll" comes in, it gets more line into the action. The "e" - is it kind of horizontal in the air, like a belgian cast? This might be fun. I like the idea of getting the motion down before trying with a line.
Right Shoulder Problems
Hi I have had 3 surgeries on my right shoulder all of which have been absolutely unsuccessful.
I was taught to use my arm by planting the upper arm on the side and using only the lower section of the arm and I cast out of a kayak. I can cast about 30 ft using that method, and I also use the right reel in method, so I not only reel in from the right I cast from the right. Use a longer rod as well it will help you and you should use a tip flexing rod that will allow for a shorter stroke movement.
I have been very sucseccfull in fly fishing this way and I dont tire that easily after about 4 hours or so then I start to use the other hand some which sucks at casting.
Good evening,
A couple of answers to try and help some people,
Here Fish.
"The "e" - is it kind of horizontal in the air, like a belgian cast?"
No, the e is in a vertical plane, unlike the Belgian/Welsh cast.
'This might be fun."
YES, ITS GREAT FUN, even if you don't catch a fish !
With a Double, to a lot of people casting over takes the catching of a fish in the pleasure department.
And a question from a couple of people, generally to cover all,
'I would love to get some info on light spey rods.'
Where would you like to start, as the subject is deeper than starting with those little single handed rods ?
'I have no big rivers to fish. Mostly lakes.'
This is the most common of all questions, why the image of big racing river has been portrayed as the only place for Doubles, I just don't understand !
Doubles are ideal, for ANYWHERE, where a spin fisher can fish and a fly fisher cannot because of the space behind the caster.
A Double will allow you to cast from and to places you never dreamed of before. AND these are the bigger fish live in always, places just out of reach because you cannot cast there.
Can be used in boats to prams.
From creeks to ocean beaches to ocean rocks.
Where ever you have a strong wind coming in behind the caster, that srong a backcast just doesn't go backwards, then a Spey cast released high will go at least 100feet with a 12fot 7/8w rod.
Cannot fish wee creeks..... this just breaks me up laughing, as the statement always comes from somone who hasn't used a Trout Spey rod, EVERYTIME !
If the caster has a health problem that effects his/her casting, then to share the cast load with two hands is easy and safer, to ones health.
Example, I have a friend who had a heart attack.
today his left hand takes about 1 to 2 seconds to do what his brain tells it, result his single hand casting is not all that nice and distance is lousy,
BUT now, he uses a Double, and can cast beautifully. (he now owns 3 Doubles )
'I am not sure it would help to use a spey rod over a single hand rod..."
The use of two hands to share the load, will change your life.... all positive !
'but I too have rotator cuff probs in boaf shoulders. I am ok now. But from everything I hear it is just a matter of time and I will get worse'
Of course it will IF you keep using the cause of the problem,
However, share the load with two hands, and KEEP YOUR ARMS down, then your problem has been rather reduced.
'But sure would like to learn how to cast a spey rod"
Its far easier than to learn to use a Single handed rod, no matter what the experts let me... but I teach casting Doubles, so wouldn't know too much...maybe.
If you can Roll Cast, then a Single Spey is just another form, thats all, BUT the fly will travel further and with greater casting ease.
The other Spey casts are basically forms of loading the Roll Cast.
'....and what kind of smaller spey rods there are out there. "
This is another PHD subject...
there is 4w's to 7/8w's with their length to match.
AND there are Switch rods also..now I bet that will confuse some ?
Trust I haven't confused too many casters,
as I have tried to keep my answers very, very brief.
Kind regards,
UB
"I have had 3 surgeries on my right shoulder all of which have been absolutely unsuccessful.
I was taught to use my arm by planting the upper arm on the side and using only the lower section of the arm and I cast out of a kayak. I can cast about 30 ft using that method, and "
A suggestion, use a Trout Spey or a Switch rod, then you will find its just as easy to cast with either hand or either shoulder and still cast over 60 feet with a little 5/6w 12footer.
Which will take the pressure of that problem shoulder.
Kind regards,
UB
Chasing Bass on a local rain forest stream
Last edited by Uncle Barry; 05-11-2009 at 12:29 PM.
Ronnie
I believe I had an injury similar to yours. Mine was severed tendon, torn bicep etc. My first surgery was two years ago, second a littler over a year ago and now they say the shoulder won't get any better. I learned to cast with my left hand but found it always felt awkward and as such casting wasn't as enjoyable. I also wasn't as good with the left as I was with the right. So I adjusted and found ways to cast with the right. Casting parralel with the water allows for pain free casting for longer periods and then when pain sets in cast with the left until pain lets off. You'll find ways to adjust. Just go by feel and it will work out. Won't be text book but will work. I also found (by accident or luck) that a vary light rod helps.
The shorter the rod
the easier it is to stop. A nine footer easier than a 10 - I've also been extra aware of how heavy the rod is (or seems to be). A rod which is actually heavier can seem lighter if it is balanced with the perfect reel. Experiment. Frankly I'm to the point where I don't care if the casting isn't so 'pretty' if I can get the fly where I want it. (Yes you really did read that from me, sad how we sink when things get tough.)
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