New Fly?

[Lotech]

I recently (last summer) went fishing a lake in NE Washington for planted cutthroat. I know cut's like the royal coachman and the renegade. So I combined the two into what I call the Royal Renegade. I don't know if anyone has tried this fly before, or if it even works. I can't help but think it would be a good cutthroat fly. Also, has it been invented before. It has to have tied before. What are your thoughts please? Here's a pic;

[BadBug]

The Royal Renegade is pictured (Fly Plate II) in Eric Leiser's 1987 book titled "The Book of Fly Patterns".
Looks exactly like yours. Sorry.

Dennis

[Mato Kuwapi]

Trying to be innovative today is beyond tough. There are millions of patterns out there...with someone laying claim to just about anything you can think up. I know how I feel when I think I just came up with a new fly, only to find it somewhere later.

If you want to look at it this way, All patterns today were born from the original five. Everything else are just variants.

I've given up. Or you can do like some others... change one thing and name it after yourself. ...but then someone's probably thought of that one too.

[JohnScott]

Joe -

You're in good company - right up there with someone who had the innovation to come up with your fly independently and get it published in a book.

Just think, if he had come along 25 years later, someone would be telling him they had already seen that fly on an FAOL Bulletin Board.

John

[DShock]

Joe,
You will get some world wide recognition, because you automatically entered your fly post on the net, every time someone Googles "Royal Renegade"
Doug

[Normand]

Joe,
You will get some world wide recognition, because you automatically entered your fly post on the net, every time someone Googles "Royal Renegade"
Doug

not necessarily. ive gone thru 20 pages and this post doesnt appear

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...22&btnG=Search


heres one

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3Dzd5%26sa%3DN

http://www.flugbindning.com/flugbind...yal%20Renegade

[nunantal]

[QUOTE=Mato Kuwapi;270674]
All patterns today were born from the original five. QUOTE]

I tried to google original five flies and only found out about some restaurant in Europe. What are the original five?

Wayne

[Normand]

If you want to look at it this way, All patterns today were born from the original five. Everything else are just variants.

please explain the original 5 patterns

[Mato Kuwapi]

Deleted! mutliple post. D'uh!

[Mato Kuwapi]

I think when that comment was made to me by an esteemed older gentleman, who shall remain nameless.

I believed he was quite simply referring to the first fly in each category that makes up what we fish today. Not in any particular order:


The Wet Fly
example: (from the one of the first recognized English writings on Fly Fishing: Treatyse
Winged wets, emerged in the first half of the 19 century. Add to these Soft Hackles.

Dry Fly
( the first mention of the Dry fly in print was in 1853.) Though it was thought that they may have been commercially available around that time.
(add terrestrial)

Nymph (born from Wets)

Emerger (fairly new and don't have the history)

Streamer
Not sure if salmon flies fall in here but probably.


Anyway...that is what I was getting at. Try not to take it too literally.
I think when that comment was made to me by an esteemed older gentleman, who shall remain nameless (not on this board)...I believed he was quite simply referring to the first fly in each category that makes up what we fish today. Not in any particular order:


The Wet Fly
example: (from the one of the first recognized English writings on Fly Fishing: Treatyse
Winged wets, emerged in the first half of the 19 century. Add to these Soft Hackles.

Dry Fly
( the first mention of the Dry fly in print was in 1853.) Though it was thought that they may have been commercially available around that time.
(add terrestrial)

Nymph (born from Wets)

Emerger (fairly new and don't have the history)

Streamer
Not sure if salmon flies fall in here but probably.


Anyway...that is what I was getting at. Try not to take it too literally.


As for the "Royal Renegade" ....sorry to say it's been around for a while.
Here is one article that makes reference to it (...trying to fix this link.) hmmmm...can't fix it so I'll quote it.

A Look at Renegade Variations
Bruce Staples
Have you ever looked at a fly and wondered "Where on earth did
that thing come from?" Finding the answer to that question can be
another fascinating aspect of fly fishing. The answer to this
question for the Renegade and its progeny is a creativity story
typical in the art of fly tying.
The Renegade was conceived in 1928 by Taylor "Beartracks"
Williams for an evening of fishing on central Idaho's Malad
River. Fore and aft patterns were not new, even then. They were
conceived in Europe centuries before. But Beartrack's pattern, tied
in his Sawtooth Shack fly shop that 1928 afternoon in Gooding,
Idaho, would become the world's best known of this type. White
hackle in front gives high visibility and brown hackle lends
physical and artistic balance. Williams could not have chosen a
better material than peacock herl to form the body. It remains, in
this age of hi-tech synthetics, a consummate attractor of fish.
Williams' Renegade produced whether presented wet or dry.
Thus, within a handful of decades, its popularity spread
worldwide. Incidentally, the Beartracks Preserve on Little Wood
River, purchased by the State of Idaho from the Hemingway
family, is named for Williams who went on to be the chief guide
at the Sun Valley Lodge and to be a fishing companion of Ernest
Hemingway. Williams died in 1952.
Fly tiers admire each others work, but they also consider that work
to be springboards for self-expression. Thus began the alteration
of Williams' Renegade. The Reversed Renegade and Double
Renegade made appearances. The Renegade Nymph came out of
Colorado. There have been a number of claims on creation of the
Royal Renegade. An Eastern Renegade was created on the other
side of the Mississippi. Henry's Lake got into the act with the
Henry's Lake Renegade, Half-Assed Renegade and Over-Wing
Renegade. Their origin is obscure, but not so for the Super
Renegade. Ardell Jeppsen of Labelle, Idaho created it while in a
hospital recuperating in the winter of 1959-60 from polio. He
named it "The Hooligan" and kept it a secret. It had the
Renegade's white front hackle, peacock body and brown hackle.
To these, Jeppsen added a white chenille rear body segment
followed by a rear grizzly hackle. But someone spilled the beans
and offered it commercially as the Super Renegade. It went on to
be modified into a bewildering assortment of body colors and
hackle combinations. While these were evolving, a Buster
Renegade (red quill fiber tail and optional white rib) appeared in
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the Island Park-southwest Montana area and loquacious Stan
Blaylock offered his Blaylock Bug, no more than a Renegade in
which peacock herl butts form legs behind the front blue dun
hackle. No wonder Terry Hellekson in his "Popular Fly Patterns"
calls the Renegade probably the most used fly in the West and
declares that one cannot keep up with its variations.
And so it goes in fly tying where the Renegade's story is familiar.
The Humpy/Goofus Bug, the Muddler Minnow, the Wulff
patterns, the Sofa Pillow and others have started family trees that
have become convoluted to the extreme. But now such stories
will not require decades. Use of the internet makes it possible for
a fly tied in one place to be realized around the world in days. So
variations will come even faster than Terry Hellekson exclaimed
for the Renegade. This is certain to intensify the fun and
fascination in fly tying where modification is the name of the
game

It's also listed in the Encyclopedia of the Fly Tiers Art. Royal Renegade

...and I did a search on Google and found several pages of links and yes a couple of them led to this very forum topic. lol Try "Royal Renegade" fly or "Royal Renegade" fly tying.