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    Default Atlantic salmon: trout or salmon?

    Since they can return after spawning, doesn't that make them a trout? Simply CALLING them a salmon doesn't mean anythiung since people CALL brookies trout instead of char.

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    Pete

    Have you ever hooked an atlantic? I am not sure but I suspect you haven't because once you do you realise they are not similar to trout. Maybe they are related to the char family. who knows?

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    Only if they are landlocked....

    Ducking and running...


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    Atlantic Salmon and Brown Trout are in the same Genus.

    Salmo trutta - Brown Trout
    Salmo salar - Atlantic Salmon

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    Pete, ...

    Salmo salar and "Trout" are in the same family: Salmonidae (Salmonids)

    There are over 180 species in this family including whitefish, inconnu, "Pacific" salmon as well as pretty well most "cool" water fish.

    Inside this Family we find the Order: Salmoniformes (salmons) and then the Genus: Salmo Linnaeus 1758 which includes our friends the Atlantics salmon, browns, fario etc. (complete current list of Salmo): [url=http://www.fishbase.org/Eschmeyer/CurrentSpeciesList.cfm?genusname=Salmo&genusOP=EQU AL&speciesname=&speciesOP=EQUAL&curr_genus=Salmo:9 6912]http://www.fishbase.org/Eschmeyer/CurrentSpeciesList.cfm?genusname=Salmo&genusOP=EQU AL&speciesname=&speciesOP=EQUAL&curr_genus=Salmo[/url:96912]

    I can't remeber where Bows and Pacifics branch off from the family, ... but they're not the same critters.



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    So Brook Trout are char, Brown Trout are salmon, Rocky Mountain Whitefish are trout. So what kind of trout are bass?

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    Sorry but the biologist is comint out in me. The taxonomic rule is: order-family-genus-species

    Order - Salmoniformes
    Family - Salmonidae
    Genus - Salmo - Atlantic (general statement)
    Genus - Oncorhynchus - Pacific (general statement)

    Finally, the commonly accepted pairing of Salmo and Oncorhynchus as sister genera is not supported; however, data from this node is somewhat ambiguous and would benefit from further study.

    See [url=http://www.lifesci.ucsb.edu/eemb/labs/oakley/pubs/Oakley%20and%20Phillips%201999.pdf:069e0]http://www.lifesci.ucsb.edu/eemb/labs/oakley/pubs/Oakley%20and%20Phillips%201999.pdf[/url:069e0]

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    To make this even more confusing, some places in Europe refer to sea run browns as "Salmon trout".

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    cajundood,

    Ooops, ... my mistake :0


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    I have a book of scientific articles on trout titled "Trout: The Wildlife Series". There's a discussion on the relationship between brown trout and atlantic salmon in one of the articles.

    According to the author of that article, there is good biological evidence that brown trout descended from atlantic salmon, or vice versa. Either way they are closed related biologically speaking.

    I'll look that up to confirm when I get a chance.

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