Harold, they had been in the ground for a year and a half and started out about five feet high, and are now over the roof of the house. (Queen Palms). They are now listing to the port side about 25 degrees, but I'll get 'em braced up this weekend and they will be fine. The others (Medjools, Canary Islands, Everglades and queens) are still babies, that have just germinated this summer, weren't a problem.