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    Default Appropriate Etiquette for Various Rocky Mtn Fisheries

    I'm starting this topic for the benefit of new anglers and others visiting the Rocky Mountain area for the first time. Appropriate stream etiquette here is very different than that on many stocked eastern rivers, and I think it might be helpful to have an introduction so well-meaning visitors won't accidentally do something they shouldn't.
    I posted something similar on the PFS fishing report the last couple summers and got some kudos from fly-purchasers for it, so hopefully it'll help visitors here, too. I encourage everyone to keep an eye on their guides to make sure they follow these rules as well, because occasionally the chance at a good tip overrides ethics.

    My comments below will focus exclusively on Yellowstone Park and the Yellowstone river. I hope locals/guides from other areas will post on their regions, because things are different in different watersheds. If the topic proves popular, it might become a sticky.

    Without further ado...

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    The primary unwritten angling etiquette rule in Yellowstone is not to crowd others. This is actually fairly complicated since "crowding" has a variety of meanings depending on water character and fame. What's appropriate on the Upper Yellowstone isn't appropriate on a random brookie creek, for example. I'll break this out into individual waters.

    Small Streams Yellowstone has many small creeks, of which the majority are not famous but offer solitude and small, aggressive fish. In general, you want to stay away from other people. I often avoid fishing an area if I suspect another party is already fishing it. When this is not possible, I give other parties at least 100 yards both upstream and down.
    Lakes If bank fishing, try to give at least 50 yards no matter the water. If in a tube, stay out of casting range of bank anglers. On Trout Lake and other waters with spawning closures, please do not cast past the "No Fishing" signs, as the closure arcs into the lake rather than cuts a straight line to the closure sign on the opposite shore.
    Upper Yellowstone, Firehole, Gibbon Meadows, and Madison These rivers all feature long pools and runs that can support a large number of anglers. Try to give at least 50 yards between you and the next party, more in broken water stretches and on the Gibbon and Firehole. Avoid wading through water an angler is fishing or watching --it is helpful to rest water on these streams, so even if an angler is not fishing at the moment he may still be "working the water." Also, avoid walking on high banks when an angler is casting towards them.
    Yellowstone River Canyons and other steep canyon water Try to give at least 150-200 yards of space between you and the next party. This large amount of space is generally necessary because of the need to work quickly through this type of water. Generally you can wade a bit closer on the downstream side if you wish, as most of the time anglers will be working upstream. Do not join others in the few pools unless invited.
    Gardner, Gibbon Canyon, and other large pocket water streams Generally 100 yards is sufficient, with a little less appropriate when fishing opposite sides of the river during the high water of spring, when it is impossible to fish the entire width of the stream effectively. On roadside stretches it makes a bit more sense to come a bit closer, simply due to the popularity of these sections. Do not walk on high banks or allow your kids to throw rocks, even if there are good skippers around.
    Lamar, Soda Butte, and Slough Creek These streams get crowded, so etiquette is very important on them. On Soda Butte, where there are well-defined pools fairly evenly spaced, it is NEVER appropriate to join another angler or party in a pool, no matter how long it is. During hatch situations, most anglers will work up and down through a pool several times before vacating it, so even if an angler is on the top/bottom of a long pool, the entire pool is theirs. Define a pool as the bottom of a riffle downstream to the top of the next. If possible, leave an empty pool between yourself and others before starting to fish to allow everyone a chance to move a bit without a long detour. Sometimes this is difficult. The Lamar is similar, save that its pools are generally longer. Slough Creek generally has much longer pools with ill-defined boundaries, so try to give at least 50 yards in the Lower Meadow, 100 in the campground stretch, 75 in the First Meadow, 125 in the Second Meadow, and 150 in the Third Meadow. On all three of these streams, as well as other curvy meadow streams, you should cross at the shallow tailouts of pools to walk on the gravel bar side of the stream (aka the low bank) rather than following a single side of the creek indefinitely. Unfortunately, there are usually trails along high banks. If you must walk on the high banks, step back at least 30 feet from these banks, especially if an angler is present in the pool.
    Float Trips on the Yellowstone Gauge your responses to the number of boats on the river. In other words, you need to be more flexible when the Salmonflies are hatching on the 4th of July than in October. During crowded conditions, your boat should stay 20 yards away on the upstream side of other boats and 50 yards away on the downstream side, and be sure to stay out of back-casting range while passing. If possible, cross to the other side of the river, even if the holding water is not as good. When things are not as crowded, 100 yards is a bare minimum with the other side of the river a great option. Give wading anglers at least 50 yards upstream and down regardless of circumstances, with more upstream better. For spin-anglers, you should go to the middle of the river to stay out of casting range. White water rafters (even professional outfitters) frequently do not know to give this space, especially when setting up for rapids, so watch your backcast and be ready to ask politely that you be given more room.


    If an angler or guided party (especially the latter) breaks any of the above rules, you are well within your rights to ask them to fish elsewhere, step back from the high bank, give you more room, etc. Try to do this politely, but feel free to be as forceful as you feel appropriate if politeness does not work. If a guided party gets snooty, try to find out who they're working for and contact their boss with any problems.
    Owner, Yellowstone Country Fly Fishing
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    Fly Designer, Montana Fly Company
    Author, Yellowstone Country Flies and River Characters

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    Not sure I agree with the arbitrary yardage you have come up with in determining appropriate etiquette. My take on it is that if you are one of the many fishermen in the park that sticks close to your car and doesn't hike over 1/4 mile to fish, then by all means crowd together as close as possible with other folks doing the same. This leaves some semblance of remoteness for others who really want to "get away" from folks. Even away from the road, there have been too many fishermen in recent years as far as I'm concerned. I didn't even purchase a license last year for the park and know of others who did the same, just to give the park fish a break. Some days I've driven by and thought perhaps the park ought to do away with fishing altogether. As far as etiquette is concerned, use some common sense - there will be plenty of others around who will not.

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    Default Re: Appropriate Etiquette for Various Rocky Mtn Fisheries

    My thoughts and reply on this would fill more than one volume. We were licensed guides and honored to have been.

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    I really enjoy hearing other people talk about courtesy on the streams. Here in Mo. where I live the opportunities for trout streams are rather limited.
    Unfortunatly most of the people that I encounter appear to have never heard of "stream ettiquette". The prevailent attitude is thta a license to fish is a license to be boorish. I do on occaision run into "Ladies and Gentlemen" on the streams and it makes the day that much more enjoyable.
    Some day I may even go over the top and wear tweeds and a tie just for the heck of it when Im out on the water.

    Good manners shouldnt be surprising.

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    WOW!!! While I agree that the general etiquette parameters expressed may be appropriate for the areas specified, the picture I get from them is that I don't even want to be anywhere near areas where such parameters are needed. Kinda like Groucho not wanting to be a member of any club that would have him as a member. Therefore, I will NOT be part of the overcrowding/inconsiderate masses. If I see another fisherman, I'm OUTTA ( for MY benefit and not theirs). Of course I'm fishin there in late September and October so it's easy for me to say that.


    Mark

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    Perch:

    I'm originally from Missouri as well, and the prevailing ethic at places like Bennett Spring simply doesn't work when transferred to the West. One person behaving as is standard there can really ruin some days on wild trout water, and most people who fish crowded water simply don't know they need to act differently over wild fish.

    J Castwell:

    I don't know what to make of your response. I am Head Guide at Parks' Fly Shop, so I wasn't knocking guides by any stretch. That said, I've been high-banked by other guides and had to have clients hold their casts while another boat almost struck my oars. One of our former guides had another guide place both his clients between his own (50 yards apart). Thus, there are some guides who need etiquette lessons as well.
    Owner, Yellowstone Country Fly Fishing
    Head Guide, Parks' Fly Shop
    Fly Designer, Montana Fly Company
    Author, Yellowstone Country Flies and River Characters

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    I understand the attraction of the Yellowstone River in the Park. Your a Guide with a client that is paying you to catch fish and the Yellowstone in the Park is a no brainer. Only problem is everybody has the same idea. There is a lot of water in the Park that doesn't have congestion and those waters are more appealing to me. All the times I fished a certain river, only once did someone show up to fish near me.
    Example of flyfishing for Cutts on the Yellowstone; I said to my Nephew, "Daniel do you see that fish? He said Yes!, I said, "Well I'm going to catch it!" and I did on my first cast. The Yellowstone Cutts are beautiful fish but not the sharpest.
    Doug
    Enjoying the joys of others and suffering with them- these are the best guides for man. A.E.

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    Marco,

    "Kinda like Groucho not wanting to be a member of any club that would have him as a member."

    Great quote, one of my favorites. You're dating yourself or at the very least providing an indication of your taste in movies. LOL

    Sincerly,

    Groucho Fan

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    Rnelson,
    I take no credit at all. It wasn't hard to love the great movies in those days ( and remember GREAT lines from them either).

    Mark

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    When I trek to the Rockies to fly-fish, I do not want to end up somewhere where I have to think much about ettiquette on crowded streams. And the notion that any water worth fishing will be crowded is just absolute nonsense. But I sure hope 95% of anglers keep believing it!

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