what to throw at carp??

[flyfishmt]

You are talking about the "poorman's" bonefish. I have caught them on hoppers, muddlers, buggers and bass poppers. They are a blast on a fly rod.

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[dadflyer]

Carp are opportunistic feeders which eat vegetation , small invertibrates (nymphs), and minnows. But as is true with what are considered "the more nobler fish" (bass, trout,salmon), you still have to 'match the hatch'.

Flip Pallot was fishing for smallies, when he accidently caught a carp. He surmised that the carp had mistaken his fly for 'the maple seedling hatch'( those propeller-like seedlings) that come off mature maple, as they are vegetation feeders.

I fish the Erie/Barge Canal in NY, and frequently in the more populated areas, people will feed cracked corn to the ducks. As the ducks scramble about feeding on the floating surface corn, most of the corn breaks thru the meniscus and sinks to the bottom where it becomes available to the carp. Here , my most sucessful flys are tied on extra stout hooks to immitate cracked corn; 4 - 5 wraps of golden yellow chenille tied in an egg-like/glo-bug pattern. Also quite effective are small white muddlers(#10-#14), and glass beaded (amber,red) nymphs, and GBcopper johns.

Also , in populated areas where people feed the ducks, be on the look out for the 'breadcrust hatch'. This is easily immitated by electronics packing foam on a dry fly hook, with the edge colored by a marking pen. The carp will come up and float on their back to feed in the meniscus.

Sight fish for carp is easily done by looking for mud trails, and then throwing a fly a suitable distance ahead of the trail,depending on the strength of the current. Also, look for 'tailings' as you would for tarpon, because frequently in shallow water you might actually see the tail , or a sub-surface disturbance while they are in the shallows.

After you cast the fly, let it settle to the bottom, but hold on to the rod....many a rod has been lost to a slow reaction. When a carp picks up your fly, its like trying to stop a moving freight train, and the "take" may be subtle or it may be a heart stopper. They have a deserved the reputation as "Susquehanna bonefish" as their mouth is sensative to taste, and they can drop a fly in a heatbeat. They spook easily,especially while in the shallows, regardless of which hatch is on at the time.

I use a #7/8 wt, floating line,with 150 yards of backing which I use for salmon fishing here in NY. I've frequently gone into my backing, but only been spooled once !
My best canal carp was #28 pounds, and it was a 40 minute tugging match.

The carp deserves a better reputation than what it has; it is selective , cautious, and powerful; a real challenge to the fly fishemen.
Dadflyer

[Merak]

I have always wanted to catch carp on a fly rod. I caught many as a youngster on the Grand River in Lansing MI. DelMonte Sweet Corn on a #6 hook. My Grandfather said when he was little they would put a carp in the bathtub and feed it sweet corn till it pooped clean, then cook it. I am going to try eating one if I can find a nice clean place to catch one here in Wisconsin.

[billknepp]

Thanks guys for touting the finer attributes of a Marvelous species....weather or not they are considered as "worthy"..like the trout...I tend to stop fishing for trout when I spot feeding carp...or any other fish for that matter,Hope is good that narrower minds can widen a bit,and give these "Bronze Beauties" a fighting ..(Fighting).. chance at dancing at the end of a well placed leader.(Often takes a much better Presentation, Than for trout),Be sure to remove the muddy yellow strip of meat from the back of the carp before preparing (both inside and out) Flaky white fillets not the fatty pink of the Salmon/trout species

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[Jo]

lead and if its illegal ....steel

try hanging a bugger below the popper.I've caught plenty of spawning carp using this method.I think the males get aggressive coz they normally hit the point fly(I use dragon fly patterns)hard!Cast your rig out amongst the fish and wait till a pair swimm by then retrieve your rig in short strips to get the popper working,I think theyre attracted to the commotion and grab the point fly to remove the threat in the same way as a bass will remove a lure from its nest,only with a bit more aggression(more of a killing blow than a gentle pick up and remove movement)
Hope this makes sense!
Tight lines!
Adam