The 'wait for the weigh't concept is what i've been successful with in the past. They seem to hook themselves. That is why these hits with no weight were so odd. I've not done too much top water at night , so this post.

I was specifically after bass and had been taught that gills are not that active after dark, The two I hooked were bass (~1lb). I like the dropper idea and have used it very successfully this year. They almost always take the dropper (PTN's size 10-12). I think the popper attracts and the nymph is just too good to pass up.

All responses help my knowlege base, thanks folks.