Alright, how the heck do you cast those bugger with the little dumbell eyes. They are sort of heavy, heck my spinning rig might work. I had a hard time getting those guys out there, they would graze my head or hit the line and fall way short. My guess is a 6 wt in not quite the right rod weight? I can cast most everything else with minimal problems, but those heavier flys were tough. It was a windy day, surprise surprise down here in Tejas, but I was stuggling, luckily no pierced ears today. Perhaps I need a 9 wt rod for safety reason . Yeah,... that's it, safety reasons, my luck the wife wouls suggest a helmet.