Mr Castwell, I don't mean any disrespect but I have to agree with FloridaFlyer and Jed about the double haul and 90'. This seems to be something that you often post when people are asking questions about salt fishing. And frankly it comes off like some bar that one must reach or why bother. Yes ther are times when a 90' cast would be appropriate but we do catch fish closer than that and still have fun. Jack