I've been trying to find a good pattern/presentation for these little suckers for several years and so far, i've come up flat. I've tried cdc, cdc and elk, micro elk hairs etc. I've tried dead drifting, skittering, rapid fire casts etc., and have been able to move some fish but nothing I would consider truly effective. I'm not sure if it's the patterns or presenations or both. Has anyone fished these hatches, and if so, have you ahd any success?