Working with deer hair has been one of the most frustrating aspects of this addiction for me. Just when I think I am getting it I tie some horrible looking Muddlers and swear off dear hair. I actually purchased some Muddlers for a trip, and they looked almost machine made. The hair was so fine, it almost looked like a piece of carved cork. The question I have is this. Most instructions call for spinning a piece of deer hair about a pencil in diameter. Now without giving up my age, I'm thinking the old yellow number 2's. This seems like alot of hair to handle. Do you start out with this diameter of hair, or do you spin smaller amounts and keep packing it? Thanks in advance for the help.