some great ideas here!....I use a variation of this theme on my EHCs. I lay down a thread base full length then tie in the hackle at the front leaving space for the wing. I then dub the body back to the bend. This leaves the bobbin in position to tie off the hackle that I "reverse palmer". 3 tight wraps to hold the stem and then palmer the thread back to the front of the body as a rib. Tie in the wing and thats it!