Dan,

Tie my foam ants similar to Betty's. Lay down a thread base, then cover with glue/cement, add either flat foam or sometimes a round foam split halfway through down the middle, I tie in at three locations to segment the ant, tie in Tennessee Boar hair legs in the middle (courtesy of son's hunting trip) instead of rubber or hackle etc., and finish with an orange post on top so I can see the rascals in the foamy water etc. Have fished one ant all day without unraveling; but, only for small stream rainbows and browns, not the big toothy bruisers you're referring to. Be happy to send some of my ugly creations for you to test if you'll drop me your snail mail
address. E-mail is in my profile. Just refer to FAOL Foam Ants in the header.

[This message has been edited by Grn Mt Man (edited 12 August 2005).]