I forgot to mention that I also use a tying cement that I ordered from Chris Helms. It has an ethyl alcohol solvent and has no toxic solvent fumes. The label says it dries clear and flexible and has all natural ingredients. I think Chris recommends this for spinning and stacking deer hair. It is Fly-Tite by Fly-Rite Inc. I like it, but since I am not as knowledgeable about tying as some of you guys I am not sure if it has minuses.