Hi jwest,

The substitute I use is Whiting grizzly dyed golden brown. On the hook it looks like the real thing. One of the other good people on this site suggested dark barred ginger as a substitute and it is also a good choice. FYI, the difference between cree and dark barred ginger (as Tom Whiting identifies it) is the shape of the dark coloring in the pelt. The dark part on a cree is shaped like a sargent's stripe and on the dark barred ginger it is diamonded shaped. The information I provide is what Whiting uses to identify cree/barred ginger. Denny Conrad may use different criteria, I'm not sure. I can tell you the cree pelts I've seen from Denny are beautiful. Take care & ...

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