Duckworth's Extended Body Mayfly (Carnage variation) SBS

[ScottP]

Inspired by Joe's post, I adopted Duckworth's Cat Puke-like fly to foam, fore and aft.

hook - Dai Riki 135 #10
thread - UTC 140 tan
core - 20lb mono
tail/underbody - moose body hair
abdomen - 1mm foam tan
wing - Congo Hair dun
hackle - barred cream
thorax -dubbing tan


Part 1

put a loop in either end of a piece of mono; tie it in at mid-point






measure (2x hook, plus gap width) some moose body; tie in/trim butts






hook mono onto the gallows; wrap hair up the core and back down




apply Super Glue at base of tail




pull strip of foam against body at base of tail




under tension, wrap tag end down the underbody; tie off but don't trim tag end




brush on Super Glue and wrap other end of foam, adjusting spacing/tension to create a tapered body

[ScottP]

Part 2

swap end of hook in vise; attach front mono to gallows, brush on a little more Super Glue and wrap a short front section with the foam tag






tie off, trim foam/trim mono, switch hook back




tie in a hank of CH; fold back/tie down




dub thread, tie in hackle and dub thorax






wrap hackle at base; tie off, trim, half hitch x 2, SHHAN




trim wing








Regards,
Scott

[Joe Billingsley]

Terrific, Scott.
How do you attach the foam to the front section of the mono? Super glue it like the back section? Also, do you use hackle that is undersized since the "post" is so large?
Again, excellent fly as always.

Joe

[jcampbell]

Nice job on the fly, but a couple things bother me. Maybe you can clarify. First of all, there is no mention of the size hook you used. You foam body appears to be much bulkier than the Duckworth body that can be made for various sized flies. I doubt that foam can be easily used to tie the small versions of the fly. Secondly, Duckworth ties the hackle to the hook at a much earlier stage than you. It's not clear to me how you are tying in the hackle. Seems a little late in the assembly for good stem security. Please comment. Thanks

[ScottP]

How do you attach the foam to the front section of the mono? Super glue it like the back section? Also, do you use hackle that is undersized since the "post" is so large?

Joe,

I used the tag end of the first part of the rear body wrap. Fixed that in the instructions; thanks for catching that. The hackle is sized to the hook (#10); normally I oversize by 1 on parachutes, but, as you pointed out, the base is thick enough that larger hackle isn't needed.

a couple things bother me. First of all, there is no mention of the size hook you used.

It's a size 10, as noted in the recipe

You foam body appears to be much bulkier than the Duckworth body that can be made for various sized flies. I doubt that foam can be easily used to tie the small versions of the fly.

Actually it can; take a look at the Rusty Spinner









This one's tied on a #16, an 18 would be no problem; I would just use a thinner diameter mono core and stretch the underlayer of foam a little more. The outer layer will provide all the floatation needed.

Secondly, Duckworth ties the hackle to the hook at a much earlier stage than you. It's not clear to me how you are tying in the hackle. Seems a little late in the assembly for good stem security.

I tied the hackle in after the wing was folded back and before I dubbed the thorax (didn't take a picture). It's quite secure, locked in by the thread wraps and dubbing.


Regards,
Scott

[Joe Billingsley]

Thanks, Scott, but I wasn't clear asking my question. What I meant was do you put super glue on the "head" portion of the mono before wrapping the foam (like on the body section) to keep it from slipping or do you just wrap the foam up and back on the mono and tie it off and it stays put?

Thanks,

Joe

[ScottP]

Joe,

Yes; a little Super Glue on the mono, then a little on the underwrap.

Regards,
Scott