Yeah, I think a lotta good vices out there. Someone said you can tie a good fly on a pair of vice grips. Yes, but that is not what I want. And it is certainly not what I want to tie on for the next 20 years. I had seen some negative comments, saw some vices in use I was surely not impressed with....and not totally liking my current vice. Seems like the Traveler gets the most good comments...as well as the Peak, and a few others. Just want a vice to hold a hook, let me put my clumsy hands down on the shank to tie in material, and rotate in a good way to wrap material and inspect....uh...with a material clip and a bobbin support. Think all the good ones in the Renzetti style will do the trick. I appreciatge the people taking the time out to bother to send a comment or advice. It's great and more valuable info than a lot of experienced people may think. To one sitting alone in his room wit no one to talk to.....the info is very very valuable. Just FYI to all who take the time to post.