Thank You,
My main concern was for soft hackles / spiders as a partrige sub. Do they tie down to size 14 ?
Besides partrige I already use/have hen pheasant skin (nice), speckled hen backs (o.k. but a bit webby), whiting & metz hen necks ( look nice, but a bit fine for real fishing, less movement) starling (o.k. for the small stuff)
Always looking for something like partrige that ties smaller. One of the the best I've used was woodcock & ruffed grouse wings. But, I don't birdhunt much anymore and my pointer is old and lies around (grin).