As I sit here looking at the 7 additional inches of snow the only open waters I have to test these is a local river. The large one with the spinner casts pretty well with my 9' 8wt., but I've never gotten to try them yet in still water. I tried cutting a 40' by 2' trench in a local lake but it was just to tedious with 10" of ice. I'm tring to get flash, the propeller is probably the best bet. I know from experience that without the spinner I would cast the worm into the pads two or three quick strips and let it settle. The bass would usually attack on the drop. Thanks for your input, half the fun of this obsession is the tinkering. RH