"Advanced" ties ?

[bones]

Was just wondering what trout flies would be considered advanced for a tier to do? I know woven bugs are considered advanced but what others do you think fall into that category?

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harry mason
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[2 Bead Pupa]

In a word ... realistics ! Man , those are tough .

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[Hans Weilenmann]

Harry,

Moving target

When one starts to tie, every new fly attempted is 'advanced'. Then they start getting "less advanced".

As one's own years advance, these same patterns might gradually become more and more "advanced" to tie well...

Cheers,
Hans W
running&ducking


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bones,

That's a good question. Here's a lousy answer.

In general, I'd say the longer the recipe, the more difficult the fly. I'd also say it would depend on the relationship of parts to size. For example, a 'simple' Light Hendrickson isn't so simple on a size 28.

Allan

[OkieBass133]

Flies in your "comfort" zone aren't advanced, no matter how complicated or difficult to tie they are. What is advanced is a fly that challenges you as a tier. It's advanced if it advances your tying skill or ability.

[flymaker2]

Right on OkieBass133-You said a lot when you said:

"It's advanced if it advances your tying skill or ability."

That does it for me!

Rich

[bones]

While I agree to a point with OkieBass133, it's been my experience that there is a hierarchical progression to learning to master difficult patterns. Mastering a GRHE does not give you the tools to build a no hackle. So I guess a better question would be what technique(s) would you consider advanced and what would your criteria be for the selection?

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harry mason
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[bones]

Oh and yes Han's has it nuts on... ask any old tier or young one with old eyes

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harry mason
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You may want to take a look at Al Cambells articals in the Fly Tying section.
He has postings on Basic Tying, Beginning Tying, Intermediate Tying and Advanced Tying.
I think you'll find what your looking for.

[Eight Thumbs]

Many of the newer fly tying guides rate the difficulty of flies on a scale of one to five for overall difficulty. The Orvis guide rates a couple of 100 flies on that scale. 8T

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