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go to the words.... everything we use to attract a fish which is not BAIT is by definition a "lure". Bait is meat or veg of some sort which has scent and is perishable, I think. A fly is simply one type of lure.
Then at some point, the BASCAR guys started calling their lures "BAITS" just to further confuse matters....
I think this topic has been crushed, smashed, beaten, and ground into the dirt a hundred times in the past.
To the simpleton, proof does not matter once emotion takes hold of an issue.
bait(beɪt) n. 1. food, or some substitute, used as a lure in fishing, trapping,etc. And you don't even want to go to the list on the on line legal dictionary. But technically speaking according to the definition, a fly is bait and a lure.
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While I may not agree on adding a new category defining non-traditional flies as lures, I would never suggest that Allan would start a thread as a troll. He is one of the most regular and valued contributors here on FAOL and an extremely talented fly tier. The debate on what constitutes a "fly" v's a "lure" has been around almost as long synthetic materials have been and will probably continue for a long time into the future. I personally don't have any problem using whatever materials I need/want to and really don't care what people call it. As far as I'm concerned, all flies are lures, but not all lures are flies. Just one man's opinion.
Jim Smith
Just a couple of things: First, thanks Jim. Second, I've never put anything out there to 'troll'.
this is the game that moves as you play. there are no rules.