Several years a go, I think Warren sent me a couple of furled leaders to try out and I liked them, then made a few but they last so long, I had lost all my information and forgotten kind of how to make them. Didn't - and still don't know how to read the charts but I'm going with Warren, Jack's and Kabooms recommendations. Now, I need to find tippet rings - JStockard is out. I'll post separately.