Thanks for the input & the welcome also, really like'n this place, Jack "wild man" Hise turned me onto it a while back, lots of good stuff on FAOL.

The local fish'n/hunt'n store carries teh Coats line, but I dont think I could drop that kind of cash for a pair, if they actualy worked that much better than a cheaper pair it might make the price doable, I dont have a problem spending money on quality but do have a problem spending hard earned cash for anything that dont perform as it should.

Maybe I'll make a pest of myself at the local trout waters & harrass fisherman untill they let me try out their galsses, at least I'll have an idea of what works & what dont, Jack may have to come & post my bail tho.