i'm an old-school fly-fisherman...I mean...I even still use the no-knot steel eye-let pin that's a bitch to insert.....but I prefer them,....swear by them....and then just 8 foot of stren (mist-green) mono.....4Lb......that is how I fish all warm-water.....trout.....I just tie desired tippet length and diameter...I keep it simple....old-school..