Thanks, I'll check out that website. I used to use a kayak exclusively when I was younger but have been using a 15 ft. canoe for the last 20 years,,, maybe 30. However, it will be a new experience for me to use for fishing. Years ago it was just for whitewater. My camp buddy bought one a couple months ago so we are taking them up to Kettle Creek next Tuesday to practice on the lake. I was up there last Sunday and caught five trout in the hour before dark. ,,, They're still in there! Ron