I have the 450 Honryu. It took me some time to warm up to it. It felt just a bit tip heavy, but the more I cast it the less bothered me. Having become more proficient with long line techniques, wonder if I would be happier with a 380. (I also have the Air Stage 390, which is great for setting completely unrealistic expectations about how good a rod should feel.) For the sort of streams I fish, and the fish I catch, the two Honryu rods are probably as good as it gets.