Chris, thank you so much for answering my question so quickly and completely and the great photos. And yes I do the loop back and held at the rod tip method the same way as you are doing it, whether I am using the slip noose or the girth hitch methods of line to lillian attachment. Your pictures, especially if they are clicked on to make them bigger, really makes what you have said easy to see and understand. Thanks again for going to the time it took and trouble you went to, to post those great pictures....Golden.