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    Smile Fishing barbless

    I have the impression that most fly fishers these days fish "catch and release". I assume they debarb their hooks. While many of us have flat faced pliers to use for the purpose I suggest that the other folks consider using their vises to do the job. If you have a vise with smooth jaws it is a very simple, convenient and obvious task. Your vise will easily handle the job with no damage. Try it.

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    I debard all my hooks. Even though I keep fish it makes the hook come out of me easier.

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    That is why I de-barb also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Kunz View Post
    [snip]I suggest that the other folks consider using their vises to do the job. If you have a vise with smooth jaws it is a very simple, convenient and obvious task.[snip]
    Always wondered about people who do this. How exactly is using the vise "simple" or "convenient", unless of course your desk is so cluttered you can't find your pliers? Seriously, time yourself and see how fast you can debarb hooks in your vise (and be sure to try some smaller sizes) versus using pliers.

    Of course speed is not the all important goal to a casual tier, but I personally see no reason to waste time that could be spent cranking out another pattern by using a suboptimal tool like the vise when a readily available, cheap, and efficient alternative is available. I usually tie flies a dozen at the time, so I take out a dozen hooks, debarb with pliers, and start tying. When I tie with friends who debarb with the vise, they are usually still fiddling with adjustments (or looking for a dropped hook) by the time I've finished. Of course, YMMV.

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    I'm with whatfly insofar as I see no advantage to using a vise versus a pair of flat nose pliers or non-serrated hemostats(needle holders).

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    Of course you could just buy barbless hooks in the first place. Or is that too simple a solution? I recently bought a few (7 thousand) barbless hooks. There is a greater range available today than ever before.

    I also question the whether fishing barbless is a good thing. (Doesn't stop me doing it though). Take two extreme scenarios.

    Angler one hooks a fish. He is using a heavyweight hook that is barbed. He is confident with the hook hold so quickly plays. the fish. Takes the hook out and returns the fish carefully. Yes he has done more harm to the fish by using a barb than he would have done without.

    Angler two hooks a fish. He is using a barbless hook, as is often required for C&R on UK fisheries. Even with the extended range of barbless hooks available most tend to be light wire. Therefore his tippet is lighter. He is not as confident of the hook hold with hiss set up so plays the fish much more carefully. To the point were the fish is exhausted. On the bank he drops the fish so just kicks it back into the water. (I've seen it happen). He has done far more damage to that fish than angler one did to his. If he is challenged he responds "I'm fishing barbless so its ok to return fish."

    Now I know these are opposite extremes (I have been unable to exactly recreate the scenario of catching a fish with both kinds of hook), but the question still remains. Does the extra hook hold of a barbed hook result in less damage than the exhaustion, and lactic acid build up, caused by playing a fish slowly? I can't come down on either side, but it does make me less critical of those who use barbed hooks.

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    I have a Regal vise, it's like using the pliers in reverse

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    AlanB,
    Surely, by now, we can accept that barbless is less damaging on fish? Not sure why a barbless hook would lead one to play a fish too long. That has not been my personal experience or my observation of others. The water I fish most is "barbless only". I think the State (and before it, the Conservancy) has good information on denying the use of barbed hooks. It only seems logical and reasonable to me.

    All the flies sold in the fly shops near this river are barbless. I either use barbless hooks or bend the barb. Sometimes, I forget to do so at the vise and do so on the river with my hemostats. Quite easy to do........

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    When I used to debarb my hooks, I always used the vise. It only takes seconds, and you are only handling the bare hook once. Fewer drops, especially with the smaller hooks, for me. Where I fish, using barbless hooks is not required by law.

    The reason I 'debarbed' was more for the 'easier out of me' than any concern for the fish. After a while I noticed some issues with the number of fish I hooked versus landed. The numbers were significant enough that I stopped the practice and found myself landing more fish. In any event, I no longer debarb my hooks. Since then I've gotten a few hooks into clothing that I've had to mess with a bit to get them out. I'll deal with this to catch more fish. The hooks I've gotten into my flesh came out without issue. Maybe I've gotten better at fly control, or maybe I've just been luckier over the last decade.

    I do find Alan's point interesting. One thing I've done over the last several years is up the size of my tippet, from 4# flouro to 8# (I'm mostly streamer fishing with sinking lines in a very clear reservoir for smallmouth and trout). I was concerned that the thicker line would lessen my strikes, but so far it hasn't been an issue. I'm catching more fish, larger fish, and landing them faster. Only had two trout that died when I was unable to resuscitate them this season (that I knew about, delayed mortality numbers I can't address). That's way down from past seasons.

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    Removing a barbed hook or a barbless hook stuck in you neck (deep enough to go beyond the barb or where the barb would have been).......which would do less damage to your neck? Perhaps the same is true with regards to removing a hook from the trout's mouth?
    In "barbless only" water, it doesn't matter what the fisher thinks. It is the regulation.

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