I did exactly as you have suggested before I read this! But I do know who is the smarter one here is, not me! I have successfully, at least better, done some soft hackle flies. If I'm not afraid of getting this server in trouble for indecent photography, I'll try posting some before I take off for a few days. But, I do think, again many thanks to everyone, that I'm getting it. The last 6 or so flies look much better than the first 12!