Thank you Chris for correcting what was, clearly, My mistake. Once an angler experiences what it is like to Tenkara fly fish with a super light weight fixed line rod, his or her older, heavier T-fishing rods will mostly stay in the tackle closet or drawer. And I have been very pleasingly surprised at the size of the wind resistant fly patterns I have been able to cast accurately and amount of wind I have been able to cast into with a size 3 HiVis level line on a soft Seiryu rod that is much shorter than these two rods are, so I believe these rods would be much more than adequate for pan fish and very enjoyable to fish.