I also own two Griffin vises however I am such a roookie I shouldn't be commenting. But I read and looked an awful lot before I bought. I got the 1st Griffin thru a local and paid thru the nose for it...same vise at Sportsman's warehouse $60-70 Cheaper if you want to count shipping. The other I purchased just because I got the most for my money. I have the Patriot and the Mongoose. I haven't tied enough to advise....but Al and Gretchen are sponsors on this board. Click on Sponsors in the upper left and scroll to find BT's Fishing Products I think it is. You will find it. He sells the Danvise and although it is not a thing of beauty....many many people swear by it, he has fly tying video's showing him and her using it....and a video on "how to tie true rotary style". I think it's a great way to go cause cost is reasonable, many people have proven it's worth, and it's pretty cool to be able to purchase how to video's using the same vise you have.

Gem