well i'll print it and read it through an through, scouts honor!! i may still pick up the tape though ; ive got my fair share to learn as i probabaly didnt know much to begin with, everything you gents throw at me is much appreciatted advice and i thank you for it. The knots i used on the backing to fly line and fly to leader i got off this site, other wise it probably would have been ugly cinch knots (sp?) around (can you do a cinch knot with 2 lines :/ ?) yeah im a sorry case.

Reagards (hoping to get better and better) -James