Orvis bimini leader tippets ?? furled from the knot to the end loop

[Fishmate]

I have been impressed by the Orvis bimini leader tippets which are looped onto a tapered leader that is much stronger and thicker. I am wondering if any of you know how they twisted the loop--is is furled? I would like to make up some of my own and can't figure out how they constructed them.

[tedshuck]

The twisted loop is a "bimini twist" knot, hence the name of the tippet. This is a standard knot for "big game" fishermen who are trying to catch fish on tippets with a certain class of breaking strength. The bimini twist knot is a 100% knot, so no strength is lost in the knot.

Here is a link to how they are tied:
http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtech...ts_Bimini.html

Ted

[Fishmate]

Thanks for the reply Tedshuck. I have no problem tying the bimini knot -- however the loop in the "Orvis" leader looks as if it is furled. I can't figure out how it is done. I hope I can paste a drawing to show you what I am referring to:

[tedshuck]

I think that furled look is just due to the twist inherent in the bimini knot. The picture you show makes it look like a single loop. I have usually tied a separate surgeon's loop in the doubled line of the bimini. There is always a fair amount of twisting of the line here and I think if you made the bimini loop fairly small, the twisting in the loop would be enhanced.

Ted

[Fly Goddess]

Thanks for the reply Tedshuck. I have no problem tying the bimini knot -- however the loop in the "Orvis" leader looks as if it is furled. I can't figure out how it is done. I hope I can paste a drawing to show you what I am referring to:

I would say they are "twisted". Furled is both sides twisted the same direction then when put together they furl the other. A shorb loop is needed or they will unravel.
Here is the video on how to make one:
http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-tie...Twist-51026687

[sandfly]

i have done it before by spinning one end of the mono, and holding the other end tight. then tie the mimini knot with out losing the twist. you will have to play around till ya get it but it works..

[Fishmate]

I tried Sandfly's technique last night--the result was far from the Orvis biminin tippet but perhaps I need more practice--a lot more practice! I really like these tippets, esp for large fish using fine tippets as they have inherent shock absorption. I do some night fishing for big 4-6 lb browns using small Elk Hair Caddis patterns and broke off lots of fish before using this type of tippet.

[Fly Goddess]

I tried Sandfly's technique last night--the result was far from the Orvis biminin tippet but perhaps I need more practice--a lot more practice! I really like these tippets, esp for large fish using fine tippets as they have inherent shock absorption. I do some night fishing for big 4-6 lb browns using small Elk Hair Caddis patterns and broke off lots of fish before using this type of tippet.

What about a mono furled leader. They have give. That is what I use.

[aged_sage]

Whether or not the end of the Bimi Twist shown is actually furled cannot be determined from the posted photo. However; it certainly has all of the earmarks of a 'furled two strand rope', which is what a furled leader actually is. Both legs of the left-hand are clearly "twisted" around one another. The little loop appears to be the 'tippet end' loop, with the butt ends 'all wrapped up' in the main part of the knot. Having seen them tied on several occasions, I would have to say that they are started just as one would start a hand-, or board, furled leader, with the tiers knee, or foot, being the tippet post (peg). Hence, the loop at the left hand end of the picture would be the tippet loop, which does NOT require a Shorb Knot(Loop) to keep it from unraveling; this requirement is for the 'butt' end only. Incidentally, one can very easily "furl" yarn, etc., in one's hands to get them to "twist" around one another to form "furled" bodies for various and sundry flies, especially extended body flies.

[Fly Goddess]

Can you explain the difference between "twisting" and "furling"?

Maybe this:

http://castflys.net/Documents/Twisted.pdf