thanx for all the information, i did catch a carp in lake erie about 25 years ago but that was just an accident i was in a warm water discharge area and i had cast out and set the rod down was giving in to natures call so when i came back lifted the rod and there was a 15 or 20 lb carp at the other end. i am going to try to target them this summer in the grand river N.E. ohio best smallmouth river that i know of, but i always see carp but didn't know how to try to catch them bobby