Must confess that I have become addicted to carp on the long rod. Went out today for about an hour to a local park. The best method I have found to tackle these giants in muddy water is to chum with bread for a bit and then drift a #16 light cahil patterns through the feeding frenzy. This proved excellent today not only for carp but catfish (first time catching catfish on a fly rod). I ended up landing one carp about 18 lbs and lost 3 other that where much larger. I was using a 8'6" #5 with 3x tippet. What a blast!