bring back memories, when we got chicken going from farms to farms. got good one and bad one but we had feathers, then we got into going to see the chicken fights, got nice birds but ran to the big side, also mostly browns or blacks. i can tie size 12, very few necks would tie smaller. now they shut most fights down, and only one ring fighting. but i have some nice necks yet to tie from. my dad show me how to tie about 1948 i still have his vise and desk but it won't hold hooks too good. flyman 3